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An Evil, Bipolar God

29 Sep

dt21_10b Keith Ward, in chapter 6 of Is Religion Dangerous, deals with the issue of morality and the Bible.  He addresses the charge that religious morality is based on an unthinking acceptance of old religious laws.  As his example, he brings up one of the most notorious of religious injunctions – Deuteronomy 20:15-18.

“But these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of the nations in the land you will enter. 16 In those towns that the Lord your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the Lord your God has commanded you.  This will prevent the people of the land from teaching you to imitate their detestable customs in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply against the Lord your God.

Geno-what did you say?  Isn’t that the very piece of evidence that we use to indict the Nazi’s, their attempted genocide of the Jews?  If we are to be morally consistent, shouldn’t we reject this piece of the Old Testament and anything/anyone that relies on this passage/the book/the collection of books that uses it.  Any religion that accepts this as part of their canon (read: Jews and Christians) are guilty of blindly basing their morality on old and outdated religious laws.  There are three ways that religious adherents have approached this problem. 

Approach One : The Morally Primitive Imagining History

This approach looks at the historical record first.  They notice that the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites keep popping back up in the narrative and the archeological record.  As such, the ban was not actually implemented.  Secondarily, they note that the text itself was “written” [1] around 700BCE, but are describing events that are much, much older.  Taking these two points in tandem, they hypothesize that scribes and priests wrote into the narrative God commanding the slaughter of “present day” rival groups to delegitimize any territorial claims they might have.  This moral tradition (that it is ok to slaughter your opponents wholesale for the protection of your group) is morally primitive and is later corrected by the Prophets. [2]  

Pros:

  • The Genocide did not happen historically
  • God is not a mass murderer

Cons:

  • The Text is a pack of lies
  • The authors of our text are a bunch of evil liars

 

Approach Two: A Unique Situation

This next approach bites the bullet(s).  They say – our text says that God gave the command.  However, this is a unique situation and not universally applicable.  God only intended it for the Israelites in this particular situation, which was necessary for the perpetuation of the Israelites.  We see that it is unique because of all of the other moral injunctions in the Hebrew Bible contradict “the Ban.”  This allows us to maintain the integrity of the text while cutting off this law from the others that we can abstract moral principles from.  It was said and it happened [3] but it was only for one situation and one time.

Pros:

  • Maintains the integrity of the text and its authors
  • The Ban was a one-time affair and not repeatable nor abstractable.

Cons:

  • God is evil and bipolar
  • We have mass murderers in our religious tradition.

 

god is angry Option Two point Five: A developing God

Ward does not mention this, but it is possible that God is developing along with his creation.  In order for him to know how and what to be and act, he must have something to act and be contrasted against.  After all, how can I know what red is if I have never seen it?  Likewise, how can God know what wrong is unless he has done it?  This is a Hegelian view of God.  Under this view, God had not fully developed his morals yet.  The narrative reflects God’s moral at that point in time.  Later on his morals developed and he understood that all life had value and that it was wrong of him to order the genocides.

Pros:

  • God was not evil – only immature and is now mature through his interaction with his creation
  • Maintains the integrity of the text

Cons:

  • God is a developing being and is not always right and moral

 

Approach Three: Morally Primitive People Acting on a Self-Correcting Partial Understanding of God

This third approach tries to address the weaknesses of the other two.  It suggests that we have a roughly accurate reporting of what these people think was happening.  That is to say, the ancient Israelites thought that God wanted them to purge all peoples who threatened their identity.  After all, surviving and maintaining your identity was an incredibly difficult thing to do in the ancient world – something we cannot fully grasp in this blessed age of comfort and inconvenience.  They had part of God figured out – that she wants total devotion, but they also had part of him wrong – that he has deemed all human lives of worth and the wholesale slaughter of peoples is wrong.  In time, they would discover more and more about God and come to understand this, but at this time in their development, they had not reached this understanding.   There is some perception of the divine will, but a limited one.  Under this interpretive model, the Bible contains humanity’s developing understanding of God.

Pros:

  • God is not evil
  • Maintains the integrity of the text and the developing moral understanding of its authors
  • The Ban was based on a partial but flawed understanding of God

Cons:

  • The Bible is something to be wrestled with, not a direct perfect view of God and its interaction with history (can’t take it at face value)

 

 

Out of these three [4] views that Ward presents, I am uncertain as to which I follow.  My background tells me that all live is Gods and he can do with it as he pleases.  Based off of that, option two seems the most viable.  However, I also maintain that God is morally consistent and always has been.  This forces me to at least consider option three.  If I am forced to choose, this is the option I am going with right now, even though I am uncomfortable with how this view forces me to hold the Bible.  As Ward notes on page 138, “Believers have no magical route to moral certainty, nothing that undercuts the hard process of moral analysis and reflection.”  But it is the same for nonbelievers.  They have to give an account of how life can have meaning in the face of nothingness – or at least fleetingness.  If my flame flickers and then is snuffed out – does it really matter what it burned while it was here?  I am not saying atheists cannot give such an account [5] – only noting that it too is a path forged through analysis and reflection and is not self-evident.

  1. that is, the “final” version was edited together around this time – not that these traditions were invented at this time. the traditions behind the text are much, much older []
  2. see Ezekiel 18:20 []
  3. or at least was attempted []
  4. four, if you add 2.5, the one that I added []
  5. even though I freely admit that I ultimately reject their account []
 

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  • I know that this comment is a little late to the game, but I just finished reading the book of Joshua recently and had some thoughts based on that:

    With Jericho, we see God telling Joshua that the walls will fall down if they do a weird jig and that "the people will go up, everyone straight before him" (6:5).  Whatever that means, it probably doesn't mean, "And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction" (what Joshua says in 6:17). 
     
    Then in chapter 8, God sends them to Ai, but, as far as I can tell, doesn't explicitly command them to kill everything.  He does, however, say, "Only its spoil and its livestock you shall take as plunder for yourselves" (8:2), which I guess, in a slave culture, could be interpreted as, "Leave no person to be used as a slave."  Unfortunately (for anyone who wants an easy out), this passage does have God tell Joshua to "lay an ambush against the city, behind it," which, when Joshua does it, turns out to mean drawing all the men away from the city so they can kill the women and children more easily (8:17,25).  God additionally tells Joshua to "stretch out the javelin that is in [his] hand toward Ai, for [God] will give it into [his] hand," (8:18), which Joshua interprets as "devot[ing]" all the inhabitants to "destruction" (8:26).
     
    I'm sure that there's more that I could write about in Joshua, too.  Deuteronomy 20 is Moses speaking, so of the those three passages (Joshua 6, 8 and Deut. 20) that I've looked at, I don't see GOD directly commanding Israel to kill "everything that breathes."  However, I don't know that I can "jump the shark," so to speak, and allow my desire for this text to make sense within my pacifist worldview dictate what the text is saying.  Could it be that Israel just misunderstood what God wanted?  I doubt it, unfortunately.  We see God killing people for a lot less than ATTEMPTING GENOCIDE IN HIS NAME, WITHOUT HIS COMMAND (for example, check out Achan's sin and death in Joshua 7).  I suppose a counter to this would be God not ever calling the Israelites out for polygamy (which most Christians would say God is against) or ever saying, "Hey, let's not have slaves anymore" (which most Christians would also say God is against... except maybe the SBC) in the OT.  Still, those aren't quite as big of a deal as Israel saying, "God said we should kill you all--especially you evil 2-week-olds," when God did not say that.
     
    Currently, I'm leaning towards position 2.  I don't have a good way to rationalize that view of God either, but it preserves the integrity of the text.  I don't know if the Bible needs me to defend it, but I'm SURE that God doesn't, so I'll let Him fight that battle (pun intended).
  • It is difficult to have a discussion with a group of people, all operating under different assumptions.  However, we can look at the internet as a sort of agora.  First of all, the Bible is, from my point of view, God's Word to us, truth, a manual for life.  Some is history, so he is not necessarily condoning or approving of that - dancing around and worshiping a gold calf, rape and murder, Moses slam-dunking a rock in anger.  So, sin and life lessons for us from people's past mistakes.  Slavery, for example, came about as a result of poverty, sin (of theft, greed, etc.) and war.  Not necessarily worse than prison, a death penalty or, in wartime, elimination of all prisoners.  Not God's highest for us, but is our system so much improved?  We do think we know better.  We're so advanced.  Our society a real pinnacle of high morals and equality.  But, maybe we're still a "primitive" people, warring with one another?
  • Henry,
    I'd like to see you answer my question, too. Add on your qualifier if you want, though I don't think it's necessary. Surely you don't think that every last adult in the culture that God ordered to be exterminated was participating in and approving of murder. If you were sure God wanted you to kill me, even if you weren't convinced that I deserved it from what you saw of me, would you trust in God enough to do it?

    GiGi, I applaud your honest struggle with these issues. You ask some very good questions. The OT actively condones slavery and the NT simply mentions it without commenting on the moral status. If Paul had been asked directly, what would he have said about slavery? I doubt that he would have condemned it. He probably would have admitted that the OT condoned it, and said that the equality his letters proclaim transcends slavery and can be enjoyed by slaves without freeing them from their physical bondage.
  • Henry Imler
    Claudia, while I admire you dedication to the scriptures, I would like to see you interact with Danny's question.  It is a tough one, even if it needs to be modified to maintain the parallel.  I'd even like to see Andy come back and answer it.
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  • GiGi
    I haven't made a decision on where I stand on this issue yet, but I think we wrongly assume that people in the Old Testament always heard from God better than we can today and that the message didn't ever get distorted, or filtered through their prejudices.


    Adam and Eve had direct quotes from God and still doubted Him enough to take from the tree.  Moses felt justified in striking the rock for water.  The "young prophet" was diverted from his destination by the "old prophet".


    Today we have the complete scripture, the WORD of God (Jesus) in our hearts, AND the counsel of the Holy Spirit and we still have a hard time figuring out our calling, whom to marry and where to move.


    Something else to consider is that perhaps God (in allowing us to have free will) just has to use the tools (humans) he is presented with.  In that time, it was primitive people who warred with each other.  In the NT, Paul instructs slaves to stay slaves, but we don't today take that to mean that God condones slavery (I hope). :)


    OR, it could be that God sometimes takes responsibility for the actions people, as he did when Pharoah hardened his heart and when King Saul fell upon his sword.


    Also, the dictionary definition of genocide is the systematic murder of an entire political, cultural, or religious group.  Whether or not we like the tone of the word, its use is still valid.



    One question for the group.  Why do you think God didn't choose to just insulate/protect his people and just let the heathens kill themselves off around them?
  • Henry Imler
    Danny,

    Yeah it's possible that it happened that way.  But the assumption that she and others (and maybe me) are going off of is that these texts are an accurate description of what God said. 

    Your hypothetical example is missing one very important element.  In order for your example to be parallel, we'd have to say that you had been going around murdering men women and children and been teaching your child to do the same.  Then God would say, "I have given Danny and his child many chances to stop their murdering ways.  I have decided to have you administer justice to Danny and the child he has corrupted."  Only then would you example begin to approach what the text is saying.
  • Claudia,
    How do you know that God commanded the Israelites to do that? Is it possible that they did something, then said God told them to? Is it possible that the book of Joshua has legendary elements?

    I'm not surprised that you refused to answer my question. Answering it would show how terrible your belief is. The fact that you won't own up to that at least tells us that you're ashamed of your belief, which is a step in the right direction.
  • Danny, your assumption that genocide is always wrong, is wrong, if that is what you call what the Israelites were commanded to do.  God is the one who determines life and death.  He is the Potter.  Hypothetical situations are useless here.
    Henry says "if we say that it is ok for people to kill any group that threatens their identity."  Who says, and where did that come from?  God was using the Israelites to set aside a people for himself (a sort of tithe of humanity) for various purposes, and to eliminate a group of people who were completely offensive to him.  They were only partially obedient to God's command.  I don't think he gave a rip about their identity, but about their relationship with him.  There were lots of Egyptians mixed in, not to mention Cushites, Midianites and etc., with that motley crew.
  • I have a question for Claudia and anyone else who is willing to take the position that the Bible is inerrant and genocide is not always wrong.  If you became convinced that God wanted you to hunt me down and kill me for my unbelief, would you do it? Leave aside the fact that you think God wouldn't say that and the issue of how you would determine whether God was giving you that message. If he did give you that message, as you believe he has done to other people in the past, would you obey him and kill me?  What if he also commanded you to kill my young child?  Would you kill her?  She's six.
  • I didn't make myself very clear there.  It's my belief that God gave us his Word, and as an all-powerful Being was able to do so in an accurate, consistent, and clear manner.  If we read it and believe the God who inspired it, then we can know he is good, compassionate, long-suffering, and at the same time just and righteous.   God eliminated the entire world of people, with the exception of 8 individuals, at Noah's Flood, and is the One who charged the Israelites with exterminating the Canaanites, and the Babylonians with conquering Israel.  He opened up the earth to swallow Dathan and Abiram along with their entire households (Israelites).  He caused the Red Sea to drown the Egyptian army, and etc.  Life and death are in his hands.  When we extrapolate and try to justify something like Jim Jones did or Hitler or anyone else acting on their own initiative, that is presumption and a sin in itself.  Because some leader, present-day or historical,  says God told him to do thus and so, doesn't mean it's true.  What is true is what's recorded in Scripture.

    This life is a blink in eternity.  We are all terminal, and if we miss the opportunity of knowing God here and for eternal life then that is something to really cry about.
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