- Using 2 Cor 9 for a capital campaign in the wake of the Haiti quakes is painfully ironic. #
- Then thank god for grace! RT @almightygod: Tweeting in church is a sin (unless you’re retweeting me.) #
- Picaso, the author (of paintings) ;) #
- Do we have a sacarcity mindset here at parkade? #
- just started playing BioShock. Wanna join him? http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- My entire cussin body hurts, even my gums # Read the rest of this entry »
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Weekly Comings and Goings
Readings from This Semester:
















Total Pages: 3834
Total Pages Read: 3047
Total Reading Percentage: 79%
I actually did most of my reading this semester. My TRP is hindered mostly by two source books which contain a great many more pages than were assigned. The only book that I really skimped on was Redeeming the Routines. I just did not have the time/gumption quotient high enough.
The majority of the books were excellent. There were a some I disagreed with (looking at you, Moreland). Sourcebooks will be sourcebooks. Some were even from the Reformed side of things.
I’ll try, in the coming week, to give feedback on most of the works shown above and listed below.
- Redeeming the Routines: Bringing Theology to Life by Robert Banks
- Documents of the Christian Church by Henry Bettenson
- To Know and Love God: Method for Theology (Foundations of Evangelical Theology) by David K. Clark
- Character of Theology, The: An Introduction to Its Nature, Task, and Purpose by John Franke
- The Story of Christianity, Volume 1: The Early Church to the Dawn of the Reformation (Story of Christianity) by Justo L. Gonzalez
- Beyond Foundationalism: Shaping Theology in a Postmodern Context by Stanley J. Grenz
- Resident Aliens: Life in the Christian Colony by Stanley Hauerwas
- History of the World Christian Movement: Earliest Christianity to 1453 by Dale T. Irvin
- The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity by Philip Jenkins
- Readings in Christian Thought by Hugh T. Kerr
- Kingdom Triangle: Recover the Christian Mind, Renovate the Soul, Restore the Spirit’s Power by J. P. Moreland
- Christians at the Border: Immigration, the Church, and the Bible by M. Daniel Carroll R.
- Naming the Elephant: Worldview As a Concept by James W. Sire
- Kingdom, Church, and World: Biblical Themes for Today by Howard A. Snyder
- Models of the Kingdom by Howard A. Snyder
- Kingdom Come: How Jesus Wants to Change the World by Allen Mitsuo Wakabayashi
Toward a Western Response to the Eastern and Southern Churches
We, as the North-Western Church, must tread carefully as we awaken to the present, past, and future realities of the Eastern and Southern Churches. This post is a collection of some helpful ideas to that end. In many ways have many things which these other Churches lack. Chief among these are education, history, wealth, and political influence. This is not to say that we are exclusive holders of the Christian tradition or the exclusive keepers of the true truth which is truly true… as we have done in the past and do to ourselves so very often. The question before us is how to speak and listen without overpowering the Christian Other. We need to invest, tell our stories, plant and support seminaries, rethink missions, and place political pressure on our governments the whole while seeking the cause of Christ and listening to the Spirit while submitting to the Father.
Terminology and imagined hegemony
Just as there is no monolithic North-Western Church, there is likewise no monolithic Eastern, African, South American, Southern, South Eastern, Asian Church. This is the case for two very important reasons, internal diversity, and external unity. Each movement, denomination, congregation is unique to itself and lumping them together is dangerous and inaccurate.
It is dangerous insofar as it serves to maintain old and create new stereotypes.
It is inaccurate because the Cherubim and Seraphim movement has little to do with Musama Disco Christo Church though they are both in West Africa and neither of them have much to do with or connection to the congregations in the various disparate countries in South America or Asia.
We are better equipped to use such terms as Northern Church, Southern Church, African Church and the like as geographic containers rather than activators of essential features. However, despite this, Jenkins builds an undeniable case that the center of Christianity has and will continue to shift South and East. We in the West in the Church and the Academy are barely aware of this situation.
Investment, not Profit
In both Christian and Secular circles, dumping is the most common way we seek to help those in need. However, dumping aid upon people only serves to enslave them to our aid, replacing their dependence upon hunger with a dependence upon us while we pat ourselves on the back.[1] What we need instead is a de-emphasis upon aid and an emphasis upon investment in their congregations and societal structures. This can happen on several levels, individuals through micro-finance organizations such as Kiva or Opportunity International, at the congregation or denominational level, and finally on the governmental level as wield our political clout.
While we are doing this, let us remember the Biblical distaste for usury and let our investments be motivated by Kingdom building, not the great and powerful god ROI.[2] Let us be satisfied with 90% of the world’s wealth.
Gathering around the Campfire
Jenkins did a great job detailing the ancient roots of Christianity in Africa and Asia, which often hundreds of years older than our own faith trajectories. [3] As many of my fellow students said, we would be wise to listen to their stories and their wisdom.
They are correct, though we often sacrifice our stories at the altar of the unknown god paying our colonial debts.
However, we Western Christians have a long tradition full of stories, conflicts, mistakes, and triumphs as well. We can and should offer up this collection of stories to the rest of the body of Christ, not as authoritative, but as wisdom. We have faced many of the problems our sisters have faced. We were once persecuted; we were once poor.
We once drank from the cup of political power and are stained in blood by that sin.[4]
Our wisdom can be offered, though it cannot come without us listening to their stories. Once we think we own the wisdom, we have truly lost it. We can listen to their Now; they to our Not Yet.
The most difficult area here is the formulation of doctrine. Orthodoxy in middle America will look different than Orthodoxy in South Korea both of which will look different than Orthodoxy in the Congo. We have to remember that the Spirit speaking though the Bible is our prime authority and even then the revealed truths contained therein were formulated inside a specific geographic, temporal, cultural, linguistic location.
Teaching People to Fish
To help foster the growth and development of Christians in other areas of the world as loving siblings we need to found and support seminaries across the globe. And not just the seminaries themselves, we need to support students themselves.
In these seminaries scholars should be encouraged to write their traditions to give them a voice which can be exported to other areas of the globe.
While we are at it, it would be profitable to create some sort of interchange program wherein global seminaries send scholars to seminaries in other parts of the world. This would aid in a truly global conversation.
Curbing Missionary Redundancy
Central to recognizing the agency of Other Christians is the acknowledgement of and noncompetition with Other Christian missionary endeavors. Jenkins notes that this is one of the prime sources of inter-Christian conflict and we would do well to avoid it.[5] Unless there be a true heart of darkness that the gospel has not infected, we should focus our missionary efforts here at home where we are the most effective (where religion is dying)or partner with existing churches in the area.
Abusing Political Power for the Good of the Kingdom
If we truly see ourselves as one organ in the global-historical Body of Christ then let our allegiance be to it and it alone. May we seek the good of Christians rather than the good of the State. We can encourage our governments to restrict policies which exploit other nations and move to block others, such as China, from doing the same. Additionally, we can use our political clout to relive persecutions. We have the power; we should use it for the good of others instead of ourselves.
Conclusion
Our western post-colonial guilt and historical ignorance has blinded the Bride. We need to open our eyes adjust to the light, and seek the good of our global brothers and sisters. This will take careful thought, cooperation, grace, and wealth. It will not be easy but will require sacrifice. However, such is the way of Kingdom building.
Works Cited:
Jenkins, Philip. The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity. Revised and Updated. Oxford University Press, USA, 2007.
Knutsen, Torbjørn L. The rise and fall of world orders. Manchester University Press, 1999.
Mwaura, Ndirangu. Kenya Today: Breaking the yoke of Colonialism in Africa. Algora Publishing, 2005.
[1] Ndirangu Mwaura, Kenya Today: Breaking the yoke of Colonialism in Africa (Algora Publishing, 2005), 81.
[2] Return on Investment.
[3] Philip Jenkins, The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity, Revised and Updated. (Oxford University Press, USA, 2007), 16-21.
[4] Torbjørn L. Knutsen, The rise and fall of world orders (Manchester University Press, 1999), 51.
[5] Jenkins, The Next Christendom, 155.
I attended Woodcrest Chapel, a Southern Baptist seeker-sensitive church in Columbia MO. As a seeker sensitive church, they were the very form of user-friendly – almost to a fault.
A person walking into the foyer would have a hard time distinguishing it from a mall. There was an open hallway full of people mingling. On the left side there was a coffee shop, a video cafe, and a bookstore. On the right side was the auditorium. Absent in the entire church (which was visible to the public) was any sort of Christian imagery.
View from the Pew – Sans Fog
Once inside the chapel (with my complimentary coffee in hand), I was treated to a rock concert with a message. With a couple of clacks of offstage drumsticks the curtain opened to reveal a full rock band, complete with an 80s-style signer at a piano. There were colored lights washing over the four guitarists, full drum set, the backup singers and the piano man whilst fog swirled about. The hippest praise music crashed about, vaguely extolling the glory of the Lord and our response to it. At the end of each hymn, the crowd, about half of whom were singing along, clapped in appreciation of the music. Entertainment was at a premium.
The pastor came out, set a $7k necklace down and recapped his sermon series on lying. He challenged the people out there who thought "Sure, lying is bad, but in the real world, you have to." At the end of his challenge the lights were cut and the piano man sang the crowd the ballad of "Don’t knock it if you’ve been here before," which consisted entirely of the repetition of titular line. [this was perhaps the most bizarre element of the service] Once finished, the lights lit up and the pastor went on with his sermon. The sermon boiled down to "God values you, so value your self as you really are, which includes always telling the truth." The $7k necklace was an object lesson. Production was at a premium.
I got in and out of there without speaking to a single person approaching me. The Church mirrored the community around it. It consisted primarily of white, upper class couples. I say primarily, because there were Black, Asian, and Latino people there – they were just in the minority – by a good margin. Yuppie came to mind. There were hardly any children there, mainly 30-60 year-olds. Which, incidentally, is the makeup of that part of town. It is the richest area of Columbia by far.
The Church primarily was focused – narrowly – upon building up the kingdom of God by means of healing the wounded. You wouldn’t think there was a focus, given their membership is in the 3k range and around 1-1.5k attend each Sunday. However, in looking in their program, seeing their bookstore, and listening to their rhetoric, it was clear that they were going after the wounded seeker, seeking to heal them and bring them into the fold.
There are all kinds of classes seeking to heal people from either past pains or current additions. A good friend of mine who is a recovering addict and is mentally disturbed swears by their recovery programs.
Equally telling was the rhetoric used by the lead pastor. More than once the pastor referenced himself as "the one pastor in town who makes sense" and decried "that Bible that you don’t pick up because it is a translation with archaic language." They are positioning themselves (in true Willow Creek fashion) for the people that are turned off by traditional Church. They also build into their service rhetoric they need to bring a friend and to get baptized "now that you are digging Jesus and his ways." They are unabashedly dedicated to teaching from the Bible. In sum, they are unapologeticly serving Christ, but apologetically Christian.
The pastoral staff is focused inward, perhaps too much so. Each time one of them comes and teaches at the BSU, they refuse to write anything new, stating that they will only use stock sermons because they want to focus all their energies upon their own congregation. It seems as if they want the members to bring people in and then they minister to them.
Lastly, as much as I half-mocked the over-produced Sunday service, I need to recognize that it is only half the battle (the other half is knowing).[1] Their real service (again, in true Willow Creek style) is held on Wednesday nights. This is for the dedicated core of their membership, not the curious or new initiates. I have not attended this service, so I am only basing the above off of their seeker service.
Grades
C (Incomplete). Without talking with the pastor, I am afraid to misrepresent him. Also, I have not seen the member service which makes it difficult to get passed the smoke and mirrors of the seeker service.
From bits and peices, one can infer that they are trying to enlarge the kingdom. This church in particular has one of the highest annual baptism counts in all of the Southern Baptist Convention.
They certainly are following the principle of the homogenous church unit as they mirror the immidate community around them. However, I don’t see them leveraging the vast wealth of that community towards helping others. Instead it was all about bringing in the rich and wealth wounded and meeting their needs.
However, people wet and in the pews are not an accurate measure of Kingdom work. I saw no mention of a ministry to the poor and with a stated to-date operating budget of 1.7 million (yes, million), I wonder how much the poor, widow, and orphan mean to them (which I hear is true religion form James). Every part of the seeker service revolved around one word: YOU.
Lastly, in order to bring in the wounded, they seem to think they have to draw a line between them and the Other Churches. They are the keepers of the intelligible, the relevant, the hip. The Other Churches are presented as stuffy, outdated, irrelevant, and most importantly, Other. For them to present true healing, they’ll need to more beyond the hubris of relevance and into the healing power of restoration of the unity of the Body of Christ.
[1] – Had to work in a 80’s GI Joe joke.
Weekly Comings and Goings
- I unlocked 3 Xbox achievements on Assassin’s Creed! http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- working on my Church history group project and hoping that people get me their stuff in time. I am choosing to believe the best. #
- heading to the local nazzie church for my Kingdom Church and World assignment. #
- heading to the local nazzie church for my Kingdom Church and World assignment. #peepingBrothersandSisters #
- dnt get enough tgthr in time 2 go 2 the church-now scanning sevrl chapters while hoping reed gets 2 zzz & eating pizza w/ @meredith_imler #
- good convo w/ @meredith_imler on bell, hipps, and stanley over dinner #
- RT @milessteele: Well the state of Missouri just fell off into the black hole of sports these last few days #
- I guess my presence invokes shrieking in reed #
- two of our travelers are sick…. #
- three of our travelers are sick #
- NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RT @ashleynwilliams: @hundiejo actually 4…me, iManda, Nicole, and alicia! #
- Reading the Creeds of the 300-400s and writing about Eusebius’ ideas concerning Church and State. #
- Editing a paper that myself and 7 other people worked on #
- Editing a paper that myself and 7 other people worked on. Starting to believe the Documentary Hypothesis #IKHTYRCJtheory #
- Struggling 2 retain their voices & mold it in2 1 coherent document (and correct wht I perceive as errors & omissions) #IKHTYRCJtheory #
- ok – catalyst people – what are the symptoms? #
- I think we are all getting sick because we kept that dude in IL from using his personal gas pump. #magicalCurses #cat09 #theGreatSickness #
- #theunretweetablehashtagbecauseitistoolongtoberetweetedbecauseatbestyouneedtwoorthreecharaterstoretweetithoweverthetagis139charaterslonghaha #
- I am now lord of twitter. You may bring me tribute and your requests starting Monday. #theunretweetablehashtagfromanearliertweet #
- ive bn supplanted! RT @reelizja: U used that many characters & couldn’t even fit in an “eh” at the end. use yr Canadian man. #Robin_HIMYM #
- T @JoeQuesada: Breaking News:Twins announce secret weapon, Brett Favre 2 bat cleanup.Wait, sry, he changed his mind. No, wait he’s back in. #
- the asbury online campus now plays nice on ipods/iphones. Yes. #
- RT @RELEVANTMag: We talked to Rob Bell about suffering—his own encounters with it and how it’s connected to art: http://bit.ly/qo2uO #
- RT @almightygod: In honor of Columbus Day, my American followers should inject the nearest Native American with smallpox. #
- Word 2007 does not try to correct “siblinghood.” Human equality win for Microsoft. #
- What are the best rhetorical humanity-inclusive terms? #NotPunchingWomenWith#Words #
- HHHMMMM should I use gender-exclusive terms when refering to sets of people who favor gender-exclusive terms for men [and women]? #
- We could start the Baptist Student Fellowship there! #
- Reed just lost seven pounds. #no #longer #consipated #
- The Lish Spider :: http://is.gd/4glll #
- Reed does not sleep; luckily I don’t either. #
- One AM and he is finally down. Aren’t babies supposed to sleep the majority of the day? #
- I guess I can’t blame a Reed for beeing grumpy and not sleeping with a 101.4 temp. #
- Interesting Critique of Viola’s critique of Pastors… and the use of “Sneaky Pastor Bastards”! http://is.gd/4hEKq #
- gd 2 hear it. How it avoids crazy ants! RT @reelizja: @areese35 approves of ths title. RT @hundiejo: The Lish Spider :: http://is.gd/4glll #
- It be scratched. RT @meredith_imler: Can I weather the storm? Scratch that. We will weather the storm. #
- Reeds had a catheter, chest xray, blood drawn, and rectal temp taken today (poor kid). Now going into observation overnight. #
- You should get infants w/ 103 temps to their rooms in less then 50 mom #imjustsaying #
- RT @StephenAtHome: why separate church and state at all? I say we do a mashup and invent the sturch #
- Its gotta b da ice RT @meredith_imler: Hospital grape juice is so good. I never normally drink grape juice. #
- On satanicly pagan xian music… or on being asnine http://bit.ly/17FmQV #
- Reed should get out of the hospital Thursday morning. Just waiting on the cultures. Still running a fever despite the drugs. #
- Geez, Reed will only take a breast to stop whining or sleep or eat (nibble) #glad_I_cant_lactate #
- [us] Hey Ins Co, here is sum of our hard earned $$. [Ins Co] thx! Oh, & by the way, eff your DR & eff U – get ur baby out of the hospital! #
- Gave a whinny Reed [2 hrs plus] sum Tylenol – Out in less than 2 mins – out hard. Even Mere & her mom couldn’t do it. #drugs_r_good #
- Thinks that geography should reconfigure itself so that Kaz. is in booneville and Wright St. is in JC… #
- holy tarnation…. Kindle makes books crack…. I am on the verge of buying three of R. Bell’s books right now. #
- If comics ever kindle… lights out #kindle_as_a_verb #
- Can you tell #Reed_is_asleep ? #
- Thing keeping me from kindling Bell [loving V.Elvis PDF I stole & listening 2 a friend's audio book of Sex God] is that I CANT lend it. #
- Trusting the Bible over the Spirit is like listening to a letter rather than a phone call from the one who sent the letter! #
- You gotta trust the dudette before you can trust the letter she sent you #arguing_from_the_bible #
- Every 10 minutes. #
- Oh, zombies do exist. They just hunt caffeine instead of brains. #
- just started playing Assassin’s Creed. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- to @mutantstarr and @almightygod – and yet the vast, vast majority of the world is very religious. #
- ah Fringe: “Why are shapeshifting soldiers from another universe stealing frozen heads?” #
- Fringe Quote: “Dear, I’m not certain your not a figment of my imagination.” #
- #Fringe_Fact – Olivia just shot a server to stop a dream stealer from making a dude ram a plane into something. #
- what a nice hour and a half #
- We are all believers in something unprovable. #
- Wishful Thinking OTD :: RT @almightygod: @graceisunfair I disagree. Honest inquiry and open minds do exist. #
- Sick Reed can watch TV at midnight #Horrible_Parent #
- I think I paid $1000 to have a Dr thump Reed’s belly and send us home from the ER. #
- just started playing Assassin’s Creed. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- I unlocked the Secret Achievement achievement on Assassin’s Creed! http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- off Reed duty for a couple of hours…. how to spend it #
- Waiting for Reed to wake up #So_Meredith_Can_Sleep #
- Drinking sum excellent decaf from @dunnbroscoffees .gd coffee heals the soul.[or replaces the desire 4 chocolate at the end of a hard week.] #
- ….and he is up. #right_as_I_am_working_on_classes #
- Christ be a Lady Tonight! http://is.gd/4nhAo #fem_inc_in_godhead #
- The weekly Kindle lust just hit. #
- Ok, enough posts in my classes for the night – turning in #
- QOTD: One sentence def of apocalypse? #
- Reveling in the Apocalyptic Literature today. Daniel, Apoc of John, Apoc of Moses, Enoch, etc #
- The eschatological dualism of the Two Ages is the essential characteristic of Apocalyptic so far as its contents are concerned. #
- While there is overlap, apocalyptic is not prophecy and prophecy is not apocalyptic. #
- Well-cooked anger is not medium nor rare. #
- Just saw a python eat a antelope #not_sleeping_tonight #holy_shi #
- what are some good [i.e. diff than baptist] churches that I can attend tomorrow? #
- Yeah its for an assignment – have to analyze another service – demographics, liturgy, etc. #Another_Church_In_Columbia #
- I’m primarily looking for othodox services much different than parkade #Another_Church_In_Columbia #
- just started playing Lode Runner. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- just started playing Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
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Google Book Clipping
As I am writing in the forums for my online class [1] I am linking to Google Books for citations. I find this much more reputible than quoting from books my classmates don’t have or webpages out in the cloud somewhere. As I am looking up citations for Justin Martyr equating [the feminine] Wisdom of the Old Testament with the Word / Jesus of the New Testament, I found the clip feature. For certain books [2] Google allows you to take clippings from the book either in picture or embedded form. The following is from a work on the early Church Fathers and the trinity in JPEG [3]
Here is the embedded version:
I really wish this was available for all books on Google.
- Method and Praxis in Theology [↩]
- the ones available for download [↩]
- Lamson, Alvan. The church of the first three centuries, or, Notices of the lives and opinions of the early Fathers, with special reference to the doctrine of the Trinity, illustrating its late origin and gradual formation. Houghton, Osgood, 1880. [↩]
Weekly Comings and Goings
- so, with this season of heroes, have tattoos jumped the shark? #
- does zombieland mean zombies movies have finally jumped the shark? The movie even has a knock-off Michael Cera. #
- "Therein perhaps, lay the real rub." – King on the "gnostic" attack on apostolic succession. #
- Arguing for a nicer remembrance (albeit an exclusion) of the so-called Gnostic heretics of the 2nd century. #
- Three weeks down and no one in my Church History Class will respond to anything I am saying in the response forums. Come on people! #
- ef ya RT @CBSNews: Poll: 90 Percent Say Ban Texting in Cars http://bit.ly/2oj03i #
- at the BSU. quiet. yes. bills and school up next. #
- Woah, Asbury online – slow down! #
- RT @RELEVANTMag: "A lot of people are cynical about the church. It’s a short step to then be cynical about God.” http://bit.ly/UYHbE #
- just ordered bibleworks 8 online. dang. #
- Man, Reed will let you know if he is not finished eating #
- Need to try that. @meredith_imler ? RT @brendoman: New blog post: Mexican Coke Available at Target http://bit.ly/JENCH #
- Um, more like "Oh Hells, Yea!" RT @ashleynwilliams: Overnight lows of 40 degrees?? Boo! #
- just started playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- I unlocked 2 Xbox achievements on Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2! http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- evangelicals = religious right? At least from the public's perspective? #
- I wld call myself a liberation theologian, but I wld deny that marxism is the instrument 2 bring abt the liberation of the poor. – Campolo. #
- The only thing hipsters have done that is commendable :: http://is.gd/3Nk2w HT: @amandaiman #
- To talk about a Christ that only talks about forgiveness of individual sins is to preach only half the gospel. #
- To talk about a Christ that only talks about the reclamation of societal sins is to preach 1/2 the gospel. #
- '20 base camp liberation theology is biblical. It's later mixing with Marxism as the means of that liberation changed that liberation. #
- '20 base camp liberation theology is biblical. It's later mixing with Marxism as the means of that liberation is not. #
- Children sap your clarity and complexity of thought. And that is ok. #
- RT @sprothero: Has anyone told Tom DeLay that he's on the gayest show on TV? #
- just started playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- Therefore we attempted to drag into the midst the whole badly decomposed body of the wretched fox and exhibit it to all.
- Irenaeus # - sweet – I hear Asbury in KY is pretty good. ;) RT @ashleynwilliams: is looking and researching seminaries…baaaaaaah! #
- seriously – GET ON IT! RT @spdforever: @graceisunfair Hey man, where's that email? #
- KOTOR II Finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :: http://bit.ly/r5lAE #
- a wheezing cry from a 3mo old will break your heart. #
- The SBL's take on The Last Disciple and the Left Behind Series :: http://bit.ly/20wta2 #
- The Complicated World of Ancient Humans | Archaeology | DISCOVER Magazine http://bit.ly/4niOup via http://www.diigo.com/~hundiejo #
- The Complicated World of Ancient Humans – http://bit.ly/R6Qb6 #
- Top-Down Cosmology: The Present Selects the Past? http://bit.ly/4vBba #
- just started playing Worms 2: Armageddon. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- RT @whitehouse: What happens when you put $5 billion & 12k+ grants into medical research? Jobs, jobs. Watch the video http://bit.ly/2geCNa #
- Was there an early proto-creed which circulated orally in Irenaeus' Kerygma (Ag. Her. 1.10.2)? I think so. #
- isn't it funny how often you recycle the same footnote? I swear i use the proto-orthodox footnote in every other thing I write. #
- Just got a Google Wave invite #
- wprd. RT @tiffanymalloy: @hundiejo — LIMINALS is off and running! :) thanks for sharing :) #
- Holly Balls, the Internet at Kaldi's is slow! #
- spent all evening writing a paper that was just cancelled – was almost finished. #
- just started playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- The Reformers went back to Augustine. They just didn't know it. #LutherandJames #SolaAugustini #
- Oscar Romero – liberation theologian-martyr sans marxism. #
- word. RT @Thom1st: Insomnia, how I hate thee. #
- Gosh – 300s and the drive for unity – where has it gone, o fundamentalism? #
- postmodern church could do nothing better than B ancient, that the most powerful way 2 reach a postmodern world is by recovering tradition #
- There is a huge difference between postmodernISM and postmodernITY. And what we call Relativism is really rooted in modernity. #
- People, we need to read "Who's Afraid of Postmodernism?" by James Smith. #
- RT @hospadam: So Google Wave is cmpletly useless, when none of my contacts R on thr. O, I cn invite them? 2 bad invites arnt instant! #
- just started playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- Whole fam is sick now #
- RT @sprothero: My WSJ piece on the "new and improved" Book of Mormon: http://tiny.cc/0C9YW #
- RT @sprothero: Prothero in WSJournal: Is Yale's "new and improved" Book of Mormon the real deal? http://tiny.cc/0C9YW #LDS #Mormon #
- Cold are mild, but fraking annoying #
- It looks lk a hopeless situation 4 McClane, which cn only mean that it's actually a hopeless situation 4 the zombies. http://is.gd/3RuvG #
- trying out google wave #
- RT @spdforever: is at Kaldi's watching rescue crews trying 2 lift a crane that had fallen earlier 2day. abt 3 blocks of downtown is shut dn. #
- Indeed RT @hankimler: Watching stupid Jar Jar Binks episode of Clone Wars. Jar Jar shld not have mde it out of the 1st thirty min. of Epi. I #
- Playing around with Bible Works 8 #
- Bad Omen. We r just about to start the new season -RT @hankimler: Felt like Jeph Loeb wrote the end of The Office. I feel cheated. #
- Story on the Crane… story http://is.gd/3Tblo #
- just started playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. http://raptr.com/hundiejo #
- for ashley – a NLT poem http://bit.ly/1WXgXn #
- ESV Marketing Claim… whoops. http://bit.ly/15GpiG #
- Adam’s rib? http://bit.ly/XVDTK – (@areese35 @jakemalloy @tiffanymalloy @meredith_imler @reelizja @amandaiman ) #
- more on Adam as earth creature in Gen 2 instead of man. http://is.gd/3TCZB #
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Approaching Ancient “Heretics”
In my early Church history class, we talked about the early church fathers and heretics. Today, I want to talk briefly about how we approach so-called heretical groups, for I am conflicted. On the one hand, I reject their teachings as wholly unorthodox. On the other, I realize that they have gotten the short end of the stick and have been woefully misrepresented throughout history, starting with the early church fathers.
(Woodcut Depicting the Division of the Material and Spiritual Realms, with a shepherd breaking though the barrier between the two)
At MU, we stressed reading groups on their own terms for the purposes of understanding them. However, I recognize that we Christians are not in the business of merely understanding Other. Instead, we are in the business of spreading the Good News and ushering in beachheads of the Kingdom. As a consequent, we need to both articulate and distinguish our stances from others. And these collections of traditions we know as Gnosticism certainly fall in that other category.
Possible Misleadings:
For instance, we read in Irenaeus that “he who is held to be the god of the Jews” was set against the “unborn and unnamed Father” send “his first-begotten mind” that “suffered not” (was not crucified), but Simon was crucified in his stead.[3] In Valentinus’ Gospel of the Truth we find not only that Christ was sent from the father to save humanity, but that “[because Jesus taught the truth] Error grew angry at him, persecuted him…” and “he was nailed to a tree.”[4] We also see a oddly Trinitarian view of the unnamed Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.[5] We see talk of the Holy Spirit being the bosom of the Father and that the name of the unnamed “Father is the son.”[6] This is very similar to Tertullian’s notion that the Father is like the Sun, the Son is like the rays of the Sun, and the Holy Spirit is like the heat of the Sun.[7]
Still Standing within the [proto]orthodox stream:
The greatest areas of disagreement really seemed to center around the nature of salvation, whether was by means of the death of Jesus or by the gnosis that he brought (and was killed for). My Canon and my tradition (the proto-orthodox) say that salvation was brought by the death of Jesus, not his [mere] teachings.
So, perhaps we are being too hard in our criticisms of the Early Church Fathers. They were certainly acting out of a motivation to preserve the core of Christian teachings against what they perceived as external threats. We have the benefit of hindsight. I would argue that they were going through a process of self-definition. The created the proto-orthodox party out of the larger stream of self-identified Christian thought rather than fighting against outside attacks, for there was no standard yet – there was no canon, no system of creeds, they were making it up on the spot (and that is ok and well and good).
What is meant by “Gnosis”
I would challenge you and perhaps some of our forefathers on the nature of the term Gnosis. The idea of it being a secret bit of knowledge or a secret password is off, in my estimation. It was more like hidden understanding, like the type of understanding of persons between a married couple of 15 years, not a magical formula to be used and shelved like a key.
Conclusion:
Anyway, I’m not arguing for an inclusion of Gnostic thought in orthodox Christianity, just perhaps a softening and critical reading of the proto-orthodox criticisms and descriptions of it.
Works Cited:
Bettenson, Henry, and Chris Maunder. Documents of the Christian Church. 3rd ed. Oxford University Press, USA, 1999.
King, Karen L. What Is Gnosticism? Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2005.
Meyer, Marvin, and James M. Robinson. The Nag Hammadi Scriptures: The Revised and Updated Translation of Sacred Gnostic Texts Complete in One Volume. Int Rep Re. HarperOne, 2009.
[1] Karen L. King, What Is Gnosticism? (Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2005), 27.
[2] For an excellent discussion and criticism of Tertullian, Irenaeus, et.al. and their polemics, see “Gnosticism as Heresy” in Ibid., 20-54. Of particular note is the difference between the Valentinus’ worldview as constructed in his Gospel of Truth with Irenaeus’ construction of Valentinus’ worldview found on page 155.
[3] Irenaeus, Adv. Hae. I. xxiv. 3-5, “Conserning the Egyptian type” in Henry Bettenson and Chris Maunder, Documents of the Christian Church, 3rd ed. (Oxford University Press, USA, 1999), 36.
[4] Valentinus, The Gospel of Truth 18 as found in Marvin Meyer and James M. Robinson, The Nag Hammadi Scriptures: The Revised and Updated Translation of Sacred Gnostic Texts Complete in One Volume, Int Rep Re. (HarperOne, 2009), 40-41.
[5] Meyer and Robinson, The Nag Hammadi Scriptures, 41, 43, 49; King, What Is Gnosticism?, 155.
[6] Meyer and Robinson, The Nag Hammadi Scriptures, 43, 49.
[7] Bettenson and Maunder, Documents of the Christian Church, 38.








